Reader Feedback: “i am not a over 40,s old slutty cow” by shoutingatco.ws
A little while back, we wrote about Hotter Than My Daughter, some BBC3 pap about self-described MILFs and their dowdy daughters. One of the women troubled by her hideous daughter got in touch with us to set the record straight. We think.
I am the mother that appeared on hotter than my daughter series 2 episode 4 2011.I am the LADY that appears on your shouting at cows site, photo at top of your site..
I only discovered your site by chance as id never heard of you in my life.
Im writing because i find it exteremely insulting what you have written and quiet offensive. For your information i am not a over 40,s old slutty cow but a proffessional successful abstract artist.My daughter is neither a 24 year old who dresses like a grandmother.She is a qulified make up artist..
We are both cultured and have travelled half the world and lived in europe and the states and we are well educated interesting people with creative talents and not some shallow,small minded,ignorant dolly the sheeps low class chavs either.My daughter dident even want to be on that show but i asked her to do it for a laught…She is a very beautiful, intelligent wonderful daughter and we are very close and a decent people.If you had bothered watching our episode you would have realized that…We dont sit for hours watching rubbish t.v nor reality tacky shows..The people on the show treated us really well and were good decent people especially Liz Maclaren..
I know you probebly spend your lives with nothing better to do than slag people you dont even know off but thats just cruel and offensive…You know nothing about myself or my beautiful daughter and you cannot judge people from a 10 minute reality show…I had never watched hotter than my daughter before i went on it nor had i heard of it…I dont watch reality t.v…I dident know what i was getting myself into and now i do in many ways regret doing it but it was fun if nothing else and we were treated very well by all the lovely cast and crew…
I do agree that many mothers on it appear cheap but that doesnt mean to say they are and the majority seemed to have very sweet daughters so you cannot call them bad mothers ..Please dont be so cruel and critical without knowing anything about the people your so easly to judge on programmes..I live a very interesting life and im certainly not into cosmetic surgery of any form nor am i a slag and never have been one..
Britain is a celebrity obsessed country with no talent but its tacky celebrities and its celebrity obsessed culture where people are basically famous for being talentless bimbos and idiots…I on the other hand am a talented artist and writer and if you must know i wasent even paid to appear on that show…All i can say is thank god im away from that dreadful country and never will i return…
Regards carmen..
Thanks, Carmen.
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May I?
As writer of the original article, I feel I need to response to these ‘criticisms’. Now, I’m fair game here. If you critically asses things, you have to be prepared to take criticism back. But it has to be logical. And coherent. And well-argued. And not, you know, MENTAL.
Now firstly, I love this bit:
– I live a very interesting life and im certainly not into cosmetic surgery of any form nor am i a slag and never have been one
Not only isn’t she a slag. But she never has been one. Amazing scenes.
– I on the other hand am a talented artist and writer and if you must know i wasent even paid to appear on that show
lolz.
It’s such a rambly mess. She says how great and fantastic her life is, how awful most of ‘celebrity obsessed’ Britain is, yet finds time in her hectic schedule to be a massive hypocrite and go on ‘Hotter Than My Daughter’. Let me just repeat that for you – ‘HOTTER THAN MY DAUGHTER’. HOTTER than my DAUGHTER.
I re-read the article, and there was nothing insulting in it. It wasn’t even about the episode she was in. In fact, I quoted the description the TV show used, rather than describe the mother myself, in which it was “looks like a stripper” and “too much boobs”. Now pray tell, why wasn’t she writing to BBC3 having a strop because they described one of the mums as dressing like a stripper. Why oh why?
The show was total fucking shit. It was “let’s find of load of mums, make them slut-it-up on camera then stick em in an M&S dress and try and generate some moral denouement about how fucking super nice BBC3 is” – despite the fact that they have directly exploited these women on national TV for a half baked show to follow 2 Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps at 1am on a Tuesday night. I can here the Beeb producers fucking goading them into it; ‘ooh, say you like sex. Now put a tighter top on. Oooh, now say about young boys fancying you’.
- For your information i am not a over 40,s old slutty cow but a proffessional successful abstract artist.
Never described her as an over 40s slutty cow. So she’s lying straight away.
- We are both cultured and have travelled half the world and lived in europe and the states and we are well educated interesting people with creative talents and not some shallow,small minded,ignorant dolly the sheeps low class chavs either
So travelling gives them licence to generate shit TV at licence payers expense, that dulls the minds of its viewers? I’ve worked in Europe and Australia. Can I have a bash at Hole in The Wall, please?
- My daughter dident even want to be on that show but i asked her to do it for a laugh.
So you basically exploited her. Lovely.
- I know you probebly spend your lives with nothing better to do than slag people you dont even know off but thats just cruel and offensive.
[Should add, at this point of lost count of the 'successful writer's' basic spelling and grammar errors] Didn’t slag them off. Slagged off the concept of the show. The show did more slagging off than we did, in which they pretty much stated that the older women were nothing more than strippers. In fact, she’s done more slagging off in her email than we did in the article. Again, massive hypocrisy from the writing jet-setter herself.
- I do agree that many mothers on it appear cheap.
Jesus Wept.
- Britain is a celebrity obsessed country with no talent but its tacky celebrities and its celebrity obsessed culture where people are basically famous for being talentless bimbos and idiots…I on the other hand am a talented artist and writer and if you must know i wasent even paid to appear on that show…All i can say is thank god im away from that dreadful country and never will i return…
I mean…..I…..just…….celebrity obsessed….reality TV……and…..forget it.
It’s fucking brilliant. It’s the classic ‘do as I say and not as I do’ shtick. Because she’s a bit middle class, it’s fine for her to literally prostitute herself and her daughter on this TV show. Despite her willingness, everyone else that appears on these shows is ‘celebrity obsessed’ whilst people on TV are ‘talentless bimbos and idiots’ probably famous for, well, I don’t know, getting makeovers and new wardrobes and stuff, whilst the other mothers that appear on the show ‘appeared to be a bit cheap’.
This email is a perfect microcosm into the mind of a middle class, right of centre mother. Utterly OB-FUCKING-SESSED with celebrity culture who would jump at the chance to appear on whatever half baked show that come after her, yet the rest of the country that think like this are celebrity obsessed bimbos and idiots. She’s done a bit of travelling and writing, so she has carte-Blanche to dull the minds of the nation. I mean, what the actual fuck? Seriously. Had she just emailed and said “hey, alright, the show was silly. But in real life we’re actually quite nice. Maybe sartorially we aren’t up to scratch, but we’re lovely people. Maybe you shouldn’t judge everything about someone from a 10 minute clip” or even “You may think it was shit, but some of us just enjoy reality TV like this. It’s fun, not too heavy, and I even got a new wardrobe out of it! Just because you aren’t the target audience, doesn’t mean it’s bad” it would have be fine. But no. Oh no. She had to build herself as Princess Diana mrk 2, single handedly rebuilding the face of BBC3 brick by brick.
Just don’t lie. Basically. Don’t accuse other people of things to give your threadbare argument some weight.
I look forward to further contact with Carmen.
/Rant
I’m pretty sure most talented writers mastered the art of apostrophes from an early age.
I don’t know what planet Carmen comes from or has returned to, but to the human eye her daughter is way, WAY hotter. Upon removal of a bra daughter will have the distinct advantage of her nipples not swinging somewhere within the region of her ankles.
The lady doth protest too much…..
“I had never watched hotter than my daughter before i went on it nor had i heard of it…I dont watch reality t.v…I dident know what i was getting myself into”
My heart goes out to Carmen. She clearly had no idea what she was getting in to. I admit that I have watched Hotter Than My Daughter before under the impression that it was to do with some form of temperature difference between parents and their children (possibly to do with menopause, something I’m sure that Carmen is familiar with).
I am horrified for this poor woman who had no idea what she was agreeing to appear on and how she would be portrayed by the BBC. Her excellent grammar, spelling and punctuation all demonstrate that she is certainly well educated and I am horrified that the BBC could be so dastardly and devious as to trick a woman of the world, such as she is.
I also feel that Shouting At Cows owes this poor woman an apology. The article did not mention her, neither did it comment directly about her, her daughter or their personalities. The article did however use a photograph of her and even though it does not refer to this photograph at all, it clearly reads as a personal attack on Carmen and her daughter.
Oh wait, no it doesn’t.
I also have to say that if she is under 40 then I’m a Persian Rug.
I just bet Carmen is the 65 year old ex “Mr Kung Fu Style Moustache 1983″ from Tsing Pao.
No idea why he’s trolling, but there will be a sting in there somewhere.
EXPECT A LAW SUIT AGAINT YOU ANIMALS.SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT ME BUT CALLING MY DAUGHTER HIDIOUS IS SLANDER AND SICK..NOT SUPRISED THE REST OF THE WORLD HATED THE BRITS..YOU ARE SUCH NASTY SPITFUL HORRIBLE PEOPLE.
Well out of order saying her daughter is “hidious”. I’ve had a lot worse.
Carmen,
May I apologise on behalf of all these nasty, spitful people? There is no place for cyber bullying, and I have to condemn Nick Bryans et al for their cruel words.
Your daughter is pretty – very pretty in fact. Can I do the sex with her? I’d LOVE to do the sex with her.
Perhaps you could arrange a meeting between your daughter and myself, before I have a meeting with her IN THE BEDROOM!
Huh huh.
Kind regards.
Carmen,
You really don’t understand what slander is, do you? Allow me to explain. If I were to say that someone is hideous, that is a negative opinion but no court of law would convict someone for saying it. If I were to say that someone is a paedophile, that is a negative and defematory opinion and there is a chance a court of law would convict someone for saying it. This is just an example here, but do you see the difference?
Besides, you’ve made the same mistake as someone who contacted me a few months ago after I wrote about the Danielle Spencer case. See here:
http://thegrimreaperwrites.blogspot.com/2011/01/sympathy-for-danielle-spencer-none-here.html
One of the people in the comments threatens to sue me for slander as well. See, you can’t do that. Slander is when something has been said via mouth. Sorry to be pedantic, but what you’re talking about is libel. And no court of law will convict someone for saying on a blog that your daughter is “hideous”. Sorry to disappoint.
Oh, and one other thing. I don’t think your daughter is hideous, I think she’s quite pretty. Certainly “hotter” than yourself, though. And no, you can’t sue for that either.
Carmen, Carmen, Carmen…
Nobody called your daughter ‘hidious’ – but I’m sure the Shouting At Cows team will be delighted to receive a ‘law suit’. Could you let us all know how this differs from a standard business suit?
As you say, you’re clearly a ‘talented writer’ (which you demonstrate beautifully in both posts) but clearly not a talented reader – what exactly did you think a show called ‘Hotter Than My Daughter’ would entail? Some kind of core body temperature testing? I know it’s BBC3 but seriously…
PS You’re not hotter than your daughter, even if she was encased in ice and you were on a two week bus tour of hades
Oh dear. Carmen (note here I am nothing to do with the article or the site, I am responding to your comments).
Firstly, from a legal, social and moral stand-point appearing on a ‘reality show’ is unwise and, given the worldwide prevalence of such formats, a participant could not claim ignorance of the general premise that the well-established formula is to create staged circumstances where user engagement is based around conflicting personalities and points of view. “Hotter than my daughter” sets up the implied belief that you are, one assumes, holding the idea that *you* believe you are ‘hotter’ than your daughter. The most usual use of the term ‘hotter’ in this context is ‘more sexually attractive’. Notwithstanding the distasteful situation of offering viewers to regard your daughter as ‘hot’ (and by this we are meant to assume ‘sexually attractive’) the show must, by default, have at least some expectation of a system of judgement ‘hotter than’ meaning a comparison is required.
‘Hotter/hotness’, sexual desirability or beauty is a subjective matter. To decide is someone is more sexually desirable invites judging and with judging a system of grading or elements of desirability against a set of arbitrary factors which may be different from one person to another. Why someone finds another person attractive is a complex thing and the fact one person might find another more or less attractive can be hurtful to those who wish to be desired but is, often, almost random.
Several comments here (and the main premise of the text) is that your daughter is very attractive and they felt, according to their beliefs, that you were less attractive. This is a comparison you invite by your, in hindsight unwise participation in the show. The comments do not call your daughter ‘hidious’ (sic) by which I am sure you meant “hideous” but even if they had that is their opinion in the same way some people are disgusted by the taste of coffee or wine whilst others are passionate about them.
I write this comment as a resident of the USA. Your characterization of “the rest of the world hated the Brits” is, based on my experience, inaccurate and offensive. Also, and in part because of this, “calling my daughter hideous” could only be libelous or defamatory – not slanderous. Threatening unspecified legal action, particularly when you appear lacking in the basics of English grammar, spelling and punctuation and have as I previously pointed out unwisely participated in a reality show which invited judgement and arbitrary comparison of your sexual attractiveness (of which, in some part, your perceived sexual availability, experience, competence and potential prowess is likely to be taken as a measure) really leaves you with little to complain about.
Sadly, by coercing your daughter into this venture you also invite comparison and she appears, based purely on her pictures to be, (using the vernacular) ‘way hotter than you’.
Wow. Just wow.
This is getting so stupid theres no point in reacting but i will make a very valid point..NEVER in a MILLION years would i ever or ever have thought i was hotter than my daughter..It is obviuod to a blind man shes a beautiful girl and im just an average middle aged woman..
The truth is i was told to say i was hotter or i wouldent have got onto the show..They just wanted it to appear there was alot of compitition between us to hot the show up when in reality its not the case…We are best friends, no competition either..Shes a beautiful girl and i have never nor would ever class myself as anything more than average looking..T.V is like that, they get you to say things to spice it up…
And i never claimed to be under 40 and im not..Okay i love writing alot but i never said my grammer ect was perfect…I was raised in the outback of australia growing up, so i missed out on proper schooling..Thats not a reason to attack someone on their spelling and it doesnt stop someone who loves to write writing and being creative..
Say what you like,i cant control what people think or say but i still think theres no reason for being nasty about other people. It was just some silly show its true and now its over..And know i dont dislike all british people, i have many british friends..However i took very strongly to what you said about my daughter which was cruel and stupid when its so obviouse shes a lovely looking girl.
Love and peace…
Carmen..
YOU GO CARMEN GIRL!! YOU’RE NO MORE THAN A SIX OR SEVEN PINTER AT WORST AND YOUR DAWTER IS NICE TOO WHEN SHE LOSE SOME FAT AND ANY ONE WHO TELLS YOU DIFFERENT IS A SLANDER LIBEL PIG DOG IMPERIALIST WHO HAVE THE TOO MANY TIMES ON THERE HANDS FOR THE TELEVISION THANK YOU PLEASE.
BITCHES
For what’s it’s worth – I’d bum the both of you. I hope that’s cleared a few things up.
Just…
Where did you go to school, Carmen? And when, do you think you will reach the point when you will be able to achieve a grasp of the English Language, sufficient to communicate your point in a grammatically correct way?
I will pray for all your black hearts..After reading these comments i can see why they call it broken britain and you are breeding generations of lost causes.My spelling may not be good but at least my heart is not black and tainted and i know that god loves me…I will send you all love positivity and love and pray for your demonic souls..
Sticks and stones, sticks and stones…
I think I just wet myself! Shouting at Cows (and the wonderful readers) have given me months and months of laughing out loud moments(not LOL you might notice, actual laughing out loud) and you never disappoint me!
I can only hope (well pray) that the cast of Made in Chelsea stumble on this blog and write an angry letter like Carmen has, I probably would die!!
Carmen,
It’s worth noting that the ‘hideous’ comment by the editor was quite clearly a joke, based on the tacit implication that by forcing your daughter to go on the show against her will, it could be argued that you thought she was in some way ‘hideous’. However, when you have to explain the sub-text behind every joke, it tends to kill it stone dead. Which as a successful writer, you’d know.
For what it’s worth, your daughter looks lovely. Though, Carmen, it’s worth remembering that looks aren’t everything, and in no way could I form a well-rounded opinion on her just by a snapshot.
I hope that clears everything up. Keep us posted on the lawsuit.
Xx
Well educated? I stopped counting after the 20th spelling/grammatical error.
So let me get this straight Carmen. You hadn’t seen the show, and don’t think you’re hotter than your daughter, but still went on the show, only saying you were hotter to get on telly? And it’s everyone else that’s obsessed by celebrity?
Nick,if you had watched our episode you would have seen that not only is she a lovely girl but an even more beautiful person. Some people are very sensitive and i think that is worth remembering.Series 2 episode 4.
The second half of the programme.
Its a beautiful day..Im off to take in some positive energy.
Have a nice day ya all…
Education isent just about how good you can spell dear ignorant Joe.
How about education on life,travel and culture.something alot of people dont understand in this country because theyve never been out of their village.You have no idea about my amazing life and believe me its a damn sight more interesting ,cultures, classy, and adventurous than your has been stuck infront of your box every night watching eastenders..
At least im a free spireted,open minded,independent person that does ecactly what i want and goes where i want and isent bogged down by the big brother virus…Im me, im free, bet you cant say the same with your 9 to 5 lifestyle and your fat balding fart of a husband and screaming monsters glued to your tits…Have a nice day now….Joe.
Carmen, your commitment to playing the innocent martyr in the face of your appalling comments is spellbinding. I think I’m in love.
“Im me, im free, bet you cant say the same with your 9 to 5 lifestyle and your fat balding fart of a husband and screaming monsters glued to your tits…Have a nice day now….Joe”
Fantastic. Genuinely.
Wow. You are unintentionally hilarious Carmen.
Can you seriously sit there and comment on the “big brother” culture and talk about your education in “life, travel and culture” when you chose to participate in a rubbish TV show that is the epitome of the shallow, celebrity obsessed, superficial culture we are now faced with?
“bet you cant say the same with your 9 to 5 lifestyle and your fat balding fart of a husband and screaming monsters glued to your tits…”
Yes, you really are a free spirited, educated lovely person….
Are you sure that’s your daughter? You appear to be different races.
Carmen, how about a three’s up with you and your daughter? Fancy that? Promise I will wash my penis first. But not after.
Dave; Carmen looks more the spit roast type. I will help out this once but obviously no crossed swords or eye contact ever.